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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:43 pm 
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Curiosity is human nature. Even when it comes to disassembling a work of art into tiny pieces to see "how it's made" or "how it works" it still is what drives human ingenuity. I dare not confront and defy this all-powerful instinct. Especially when it's the one Minerva represents.


If you refer to the Greek and Roman goddess, I agree.

Adam's Minerva goes beyond disassembling. She maims, kills, blows up, and disables through her servitors. The scientific language allows to put in euphemistic terms the violence she applies to the world and her enemies. Her enterprise is not one of knowledge but of action and destruction.


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I say it's sacrilege to speak of things you do not understand. What she seeks is left for you to wonder, not to judge. And her methods may seem as crude and barbaric to you as humanity's methods to the lab-rats. Who are you to judge her intentions and desires, no more than a pawn in a game of chess, a lowly lab-rat participating in a single experiment?

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Yeah. Also, she explicitly whines when I blow stuff up "more than necessary."

By the way: as I type this, the timer has just slipped by 14d 0h 0m 0s. Hmm, less than two weeks left ...


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Yeah. Also, she explicitly whines when I blow stuff up "more than necessary."

By the way: as I type this, the timer has just slipped by 14d 0h 0m 0s. Hmm, less than two weeks left ...


No one likes you breaking their toys.


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Naurgul wrote:
I say it's sacrilege to speak of things you do not understand. What she seeks is left for you to wonder, not to judge. And her methods may seem as crude and barbaric to you as humanity's methods to the lab-rats. Who are you to judge her intentions and desires, no more than a pawn in a game of chess, a lowly lab-rat participating in a single experiment?


Minerva is waging a war. She likes, for some reason, using scientific jargon, but that's all the science I find in her actions. Calling a search and destroy mission an experiment is a figure of speech.

Also, describing her methods is not tantamount to judging them. Her objectives being what they are, she does what it takes to attain them. We don't know the end, but we are the means to that end, as much as a spy is a means to his organization's ends.

Finally, if
Naurgul wrote:
Curiosity is human nature
, why would my interpretation of Minerva's enterprise be a
Naurgul wrote:
[...]sacrilege[?]


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locworks wrote:
Naurgul wrote:
I say it's sacrilege to speak of things you do not understand. What she seeks is left for you to wonder, not to judge. And her methods may seem as crude and barbaric to you as humanity's methods to the lab-rats. Who are you to judge her intentions and desires, no more than a pawn in a game of chess, a lowly lab-rat participating in a single experiment?


Minerva is waging a war. She likes, for some reason, using scientific jargon, but that's all the science I find in her actions. Calling a search and destroy mission an experiment is a figure of speech.

Also, describing her methods is not tantamount to judging them. Her objectives being what they are, she does what it takes to attain them. We don't know the end, but we are the means to that end, as much as a spy is a means to his organization's ends.


Second-guessing our matron's motives and methods is not something I would like to delve into.



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Finally, if
Naurgul wrote:
Curiosity is human nature
, why would my interpretation of Minerva's enterprise be a
Naurgul wrote:
[...]sacrilege[?]


Religion does not need to be rational; especially one that is absurd enough to revere science as a goddess. Isn't it self-contradictory in the first place; striving to prove truth but then believing in something without proof?

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Naurgul wrote:
Second-guessing our matron's motives and methods is not something I would like to delve into.


Fair enough. But the motives and methods don't require second-guessing: she isn't fond of the Combine, to say the least. She acts against them within her limited capacity and she uses violence, deception and hacking skills to hinder the Union.

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Religion does not need to be rational; especially one that is absurd enough to revere science as a goddess. Isn't it self-contradictory in the first place; striving to prove truth but then believing in something without proof?


You lost me there. Are we discussing within the metaphor of Minerva's cult (with acolytes etc) or are we commenting on Adam's creation? I prefer talking about the Minerva who jumped out of Adam's and not Zeus's head.


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Personally, I was just kidding, playing the role of the acolyte. Did you ever think that I really believed discussing Minerva's motives and methods is heresy?

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The green symbol is from Marathon, although it is not the game's logo. In the game, open doors had the green symbol, and locked/closed doors had the symbol inverted, with a ring of red instead of green.


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DarkPrimus wrote:
The green symbol is from Marathon, although it is not the game's logo. In the game, open doors had the green symbol, and locked/closed doors had the symbol inverted, with a ring of red instead of green.


they were used in the same manner in someplace else


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